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	<title>Comments on: Lots of 5-mans to tank</title>
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	<description>On tanking, leading and thinking</description>
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		<title>By: Gravity</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/01/lots-of-5-mans-to-tank/comment-page-1/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I did check, and it is working. Like you can LFM for &#039;individuals&#039; or &#039;groups&#039; and &lt;em&gt;both &lt;/em&gt;show results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I did check, and it is working. Like you can LFM for &#8216;individuals&#8217; or &#8216;groups&#8217; and <em>both </em>show results.</p>
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		<title>By: Brtt</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/01/lots-of-5-mans-to-tank/comment-page-1/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Brtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gravity, did you manage to check how the LFM tool works on PTR ?

It&#039;s really annoying not to be able to see groups... can&#039;t even remember which patch &quot;brought&quot; (or broke) that :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gravity, did you manage to check how the LFM tool works on PTR ?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really annoying not to be able to see groups&#8230; can&#8217;t even remember which patch &#8220;brought&#8221; (or broke) that :/</p>
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		<title>By: Gravity</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/01/lots-of-5-mans-to-tank/comment-page-1/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Aleo, it&#039;s only block tanks that can get to 102.4%. DKs can&#039;t.

So DKs just need the 540 def and then loads of stamina. I have about 55% avoidance or thereabouts. So all the normal &#039;hits&#039; we take just get reduced by DK armour, blade barrier (5% reduction) and frost presence (5%), plus any tree-specific talents you might have.

By the way, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f14/50733-diminishing-returns-avoidance-not-really.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this thread&lt;/a&gt; is interesting on the increasing value of avoidance.

Does make it hard to give healers a benchmark for a DK, they can&#039;t ask us for 102.4% but maybe should look for 30K HP and 50% avoidance. That&#039;s a well-geared tank and easy to remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Aleo, it&#8217;s only block tanks that can get to 102.4%. DKs can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>So DKs just need the 540 def and then loads of stamina. I have about 55% avoidance or thereabouts. So all the normal &#8216;hits&#8217; we take just get reduced by DK armour, blade barrier (5% reduction) and frost presence (5%), plus any tree-specific talents you might have.</p>
<p>By the way, <a href="http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f14/50733-diminishing-returns-avoidance-not-really.html" rel="nofollow">this thread</a> is interesting on the increasing value of avoidance.</p>
<p>Does make it hard to give healers a benchmark for a DK, they can&#8217;t ask us for 102.4% but maybe should look for 30K HP and 50% avoidance. That&#8217;s a well-geared tank and easy to remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleona</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/01/lots-of-5-mans-to-tank/comment-page-1/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>Aleona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only having 31.5k health is still way above the 23-24k most of us started with when we stepped into our first heroics pre-Naxx.

But agreed, most people, especially healers should show as much, if not more so, interest in whether you&#039;ve hit the 102.4% avoidance soft target.  Yes, crushing blows are no longer a concern, but it&#039;s still a very good thing to achieve complete avoidance+mitigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only having 31.5k health is still way above the 23-24k most of us started with when we stepped into our first heroics pre-Naxx.</p>
<p>But agreed, most people, especially healers should show as much, if not more so, interest in whether you&#8217;ve hit the 102.4% avoidance soft target.  Yes, crushing blows are no longer a concern, but it&#8217;s still a very good thing to achieve complete avoidance+mitigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Digg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When ive been PUG tanking I have to say that groups judging me (especially healers) on my HP is very annoying. In heroics it shouldnt matter IMO. A healer who refuses to be in a group with a tank they consider to have low HP is basically admitting their own inability to perform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When ive been PUG tanking I have to say that groups judging me (especially healers) on my HP is very annoying. In heroics it shouldnt matter IMO. A healer who refuses to be in a group with a tank they consider to have low HP is basically admitting their own inability to perform.</p>
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		<title>By: Gravity</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/01/lots-of-5-mans-to-tank/comment-page-1/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;strong&gt;love &lt;/strong&gt;unholy tanking, but its lack of &lt;em&gt;snap &lt;/em&gt;agro combined with the loss Unholy Blight AOE, makes me think Frost will simply be easier for Heroics. I don&#039;t like using DnD as my main AOE because of the complicated rune-cooldown management it requires after the first rotation.

I even tested with a spec of Unholy (for bone shield) with Frigid Dreadplate, but it&#039;s threat is too weak.

I&#039;m fairly sure LFM has &lt;em&gt;both &lt;/em&gt;&#039;look for individuals&#039; and &#039;look for groups&#039;. Will double-check and edit this comment if I&#039;m wrong.

Update: just respec&#039;d Frost on Live to see how I feel about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <strong>love </strong>unholy tanking, but its lack of <em>snap </em>agro combined with the loss Unholy Blight AOE, makes me think Frost will simply be easier for Heroics. I don&#8217;t like using DnD as my main AOE because of the complicated rune-cooldown management it requires after the first rotation.</p>
<p>I even tested with a spec of Unholy (for bone shield) with Frigid Dreadplate, but it&#8217;s threat is too weak.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fairly sure LFM has <em>both </em>&#8216;look for individuals&#8217; and &#8216;look for groups&#8217;. Will double-check and edit this comment if I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>Update: just respec&#8217;d Frost on Live to see how I feel about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brtt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any reason you&#039;re not considering UH ?

On a sidenote, has they reverted the LFG tool back to its former glory (AKA, seeing groups already being made rather than only people looking for a group) ?

If not, I guess it would be nice to remind them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any reason you&#8217;re not considering UH ?</p>
<p>On a sidenote, has they reverted the LFG tool back to its former glory (AKA, seeing groups already being made rather than only people looking for a group) ?</p>
<p>If not, I guess it would be nice to remind them.</p>
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