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	<title>Comments on: Ulduar 10 and 25 differences: full guide</title>
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	<description>On tanking, leading and thinking</description>
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		<title>By: Daimyo</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/04/ulduar-10-and-25-differences/comment-page-2/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Daimyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the biggest changes I noticed between 10 and 25 man Uld was the Thorim fight.  Thorim himself doesnt change all that much it&#039;s the tunnel/arena phase. You mention CCing if having trouble, I would say that especially while learning the CC is a must. Being knocked down with 2 guardians can pretty much equal a dead tank.  It&#039;s enough damage that you really want to have the only melee in there being the tank.

We generally use a Warrior tank in the tunnel then our DK and Pally in the arena and then either a feral druid or dps warr will offspec and grab the champions to keep the whirl out of the group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the biggest changes I noticed between 10 and 25 man Uld was the Thorim fight.  Thorim himself doesnt change all that much it&#8217;s the tunnel/arena phase. You mention CCing if having trouble, I would say that especially while learning the CC is a must. Being knocked down with 2 guardians can pretty much equal a dead tank.  It&#8217;s enough damage that you really want to have the only melee in there being the tank.</p>
<p>We generally use a Warrior tank in the tunnel then our DK and Pally in the arena and then either a feral druid or dps warr will offspec and grab the champions to keep the whirl out of the group.</p>
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		<title>By: Gravity</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/04/ulduar-10-and-25-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know why I was confused, &#039;freeze&#039; has a different spell visual (you get locked feet), I had confused it with the debuff, thinking I&#039;d got a big stack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know why I was confused, &#8216;freeze&#8217; has a different spell visual (you get locked feet), I had confused it with the debuff, thinking I&#8217;d got a big stack.</p>
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		<title>By: Gravity</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/04/ulduar-10-and-25-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed, thanks Tobo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed, thanks Tobo.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobo</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/04/ulduar-10-and-25-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 Things I noticed:

Rubble in 25m Kologarn stacks a debuff increasing damage taken. Still easy to aoe tank as long as they die quickly, but worth noting. Also, that tank won&#039;t want to pick kologarn up for any reason until it clears (8-10 sec iirc).

Snaplasher will NOT become immobilized in 25m Freya. Let a tank build aggro on it, then slow/cripple it so that the tank can kite it. Can be stunned, which is useful when the tank needs to start kiting to get a head start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 Things I noticed:</p>
<p>Rubble in 25m Kologarn stacks a debuff increasing damage taken. Still easy to aoe tank as long as they die quickly, but worth noting. Also, that tank won&#8217;t want to pick kologarn up for any reason until it clears (8-10 sec iirc).</p>
<p>Snaplasher will NOT become immobilized in 25m Freya. Let a tank build aggro on it, then slow/cripple it so that the tank can kite it. Can be stunned, which is useful when the tank needs to start kiting to get a head start.</p>
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		<title>By: Gravity</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/04/ulduar-10-and-25-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Genius, thanks. Updated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genius, thanks. Updated.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/04/ulduar-10-and-25-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m absolutely sure he does Freeze in 10 man. I asked 2 healers and they both said Hodir does it in both 25 and 10 man.

Plus: my MobSpells addon picked it up that he casted it: http://hdimage.org/images/gk4x7ygfz9tnz43wx3h.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m absolutely sure he does Freeze in 10 man. I asked 2 healers and they both said Hodir does it in both 25 and 10 man.</p>
<p>Plus: my MobSpells addon picked it up that he casted it: <a href="http://hdimage.org/images/gk4x7ygfz9tnz43wx3h.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://hdimage.org/images/gk4&#215;7ygfz9tnz43wx3h.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gravity</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/04/ulduar-10-and-25-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Wic</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/04/ulduar-10-and-25-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Wic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(if in hard-mode, they don’t spawn)&quot;

Summoned bots will spawn in both versions of encounter, but only one set of them if you trigger Hard Mode properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(if in hard-mode, they don’t spawn)&#8221;</p>
<p>Summoned bots will spawn in both versions of encounter, but only one set of them if you trigger Hard Mode properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Gravity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Please do. I did check wowwiki which shows it as I described, and I&#039;m fairly sure my memory serves right too... but I just want the text to be right, so let me know. :)

btw, I might add &lt;a href=&quot;http://deathknight.info/forum/index.php?topic=7272.0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this &lt;/a&gt;thread to the body text on healing changes needed from to 10 to 25.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Please do. I did check wowwiki which shows it as I described, and I&#8217;m fairly sure my memory serves right too&#8230; but I just want the text to be right, so let me know. <img src='http://pwnwear.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>btw, I might add <a href="http://deathknight.info/forum/index.php?topic=7272.0" rel="nofollow">this </a>thread to the body text on healing changes needed from to 10 to 25.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://pwnwear.com/2009/07/04/ulduar-10-and-25-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could have sworn that me and other melee all got frost nova&#039;d at the same time, when I did Hodir 10 man earlier this week, I remember because I was asking the priests to mass dispell. I definitely could be wrong though.

I&#039;ll keep an eye on it next week just to be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have sworn that me and other melee all got frost nova&#8217;d at the same time, when I did Hodir 10 man earlier this week, I remember because I was asking the priests to mass dispell. I definitely could be wrong though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep an eye on it next week just to be sure.</p>
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