Comments on: What gear is required for a raid http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/ On tanking, leading and thinking Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:47:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Find Death Records http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-2138 Find Death Records Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:27:13 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-2138 I only wanted to drop you a short note to let you know that I really enjoy your blog. Thanks! Keep on the good work I only wanted to drop you a short note to let you know that I really enjoy your blog. Thanks! Keep on the good work

]]> By: Arencey http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-1827 Arencey Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:26:51 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-1827 You are right my friend I hate this crap, I have yet to step into a raid because people have unrealistic ideas of how much hp I should have as a tank, I literally got booted from a reg toc 10 a few weeks ago while in full t9 or better gear, I'm stuck farming dailys for months to come until I'm overgeared enough for people to allow me into ICC 10. You are right my friend I hate this crap, I have yet to step into a raid because people have unrealistic ideas of how much hp I should have as a tank, I literally got booted from a reg toc 10 a few weeks ago while in full t9 or better gear, I’m stuck farming dailys for months to come until I’m overgeared enough for people to allow me into ICC 10.

]]> By: Hinenuitepo http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-504 Hinenuitepo Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:12:29 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-504 Trial of the Crusader is not harder than Ulduar. I did all my 25-man work within my guild and it was simple. For 10-mans, however, I tanked it (I'm lifelong dps) in a mix of badge gear that left me 100 short of hit cap with very poor parry (but def-capped at least) with a mixture of alts, alt-specs, and pugs every week. It was occasionally frustrating - and even required returning a later night with less fail, but it was still relatively simple to plow through with mostly undergeared players. Once you're into the Ulduar Keepers, things do become harder and while that Chinese guild in BC and the Tawainese guild in LK proved (as opposed to Gevlon) that you CAN clear content tuned higher than your gear, most folks won't be clearing Ulduar in blues. Now, from what I've seen of heroic TOC, at the very least a sub-232 tank will be one-shot on many of the fights and no amount of skill can prevent that. In addition, the point many folks have made (not just the Gobby) is that with badges allowing anyone to wear almost full 8.5, there's lots of poor players in great gear. It certainly saddens me to see people in gear virtually identical to mine pulling sub-2000 dps in heroic daily pugs. Trial of the Crusader is not harder than Ulduar. I did all my 25-man work within my guild and it was simple. For 10-mans, however, I tanked it (I’m lifelong dps) in a mix of badge gear that left me 100 short of hit cap with very poor parry (but def-capped at least) with a mixture of alts, alt-specs, and pugs every week. It was occasionally frustrating – and even required returning a later night with less fail, but it was still relatively simple to plow through with mostly undergeared players.
Once you’re into the Ulduar Keepers, things do become harder and while that Chinese guild in BC and the Tawainese guild in LK proved (as opposed to Gevlon) that you CAN clear content tuned higher than your gear, most folks won’t be clearing Ulduar in blues.
Now, from what I’ve seen of heroic TOC, at the very least a sub-232 tank will be one-shot on many of the fights and no amount of skill can prevent that.

In addition, the point many folks have made (not just the Gobby) is that with badges allowing anyone to wear almost full 8.5, there’s lots of poor players in great gear. It certainly saddens me to see people in gear virtually identical to mine pulling sub-2000 dps in heroic daily pugs.

]]> By: Link dump « Lujanera's Tanking Notes http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-495 Link dump « Lujanera's Tanking Notes Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:02:33 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-495 [...] What gear is required for a raid? Recently Gevlon’s guild cleared Ulduar 10 in blues, opening a discussion on the relative value of gear and skills. Gravity has some good commentary, but the payoff is the beautiful Tufte-like graphs at the end. [...] [...] What gear is required for a raid? Recently Gevlon’s guild cleared Ulduar 10 in blues, opening a discussion on the relative value of gear and skills. Gravity has some good commentary, but the payoff is the beautiful Tufte-like graphs at the end. [...]

]]> By: Random Number Generation and the Truth of Gear « Have Rage, Will Travel http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-498 Random Number Generation and the Truth of Gear « Have Rage, Will Travel Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:40:44 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-498 [...] Myth of Gear Some people have pointed out that gear is a myth, and that gear will always matter less than player skill. But what has more influence on an [...] [...] Myth of Gear Some people have pointed out that gear is a myth, and that gear will always matter less than player skill. But what has more influence on an [...]

]]> By: Digg http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-499 Digg Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:19:31 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-499 This is all so very true and tanks get it the worst I think. Many is the time ive gone into a heroic when I tried tanking and got booted cause the lazy healer didnt like the fact I didnt have 30k+ health or something. I spent yesterday doing a few heroics with my friend who recently dinged at on his prot paladin. He had literally just got def capped and we hit heroics, including more challenging ones like UP. No wipes or deaths. This is all so very true and tanks get it the worst I think. Many is the time ive gone into a heroic when I tried tanking and got booted cause the lazy healer didnt like the fact I didnt have 30k+ health or something. I spent yesterday doing a few heroics with my friend who recently dinged at on his prot paladin. He had literally just got def capped and we hit heroics, including more challenging ones like UP. No wipes or deaths.

]]> By: Ratshag http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-500 Ratshag Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:53:49 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-500 Is nice graphs. I would argue though what the lines shifts with familiarity. If ya knows a fight backwards and forwards, is much less chance fer something ta go wrong (assumings ya ain't cocky and asleep at the wheel). Is been demonstrated what a guild what done farmed Ulduar ta the point where they can sell raid slots can handle doing it in blues, in "hard but possible" mode. Could it be done by a buncha buggers what's in blues 'cause they ain't even done Naxx evers, let alone seen Ulduar? I thinks we's gonna have ta wait a long, long time before anyone pulls that off. Is nice graphs. I would argue though what the lines shifts with familiarity. If ya knows a fight backwards and forwards, is much less chance fer something ta go wrong (assumings ya ain’t cocky and asleep at the wheel). Is been demonstrated what a guild what done farmed Ulduar ta the point where they can sell raid slots can handle doing it in blues, in “hard but possible” mode. Could it be done by a buncha buggers what’s in blues ’cause they ain’t even done Naxx evers, let alone seen Ulduar? I thinks we’s gonna have ta wait a long, long time before anyone pulls that off.

]]> By: Everblue http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-496 Everblue Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:32:55 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-496 If I'd known you were going to quote me I would have tried to come up with something wittier. Perhaps rhyming... If I’d known you were going to quote me I would have tried to come up with something wittier. Perhaps rhyming…

]]> By: RJK http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-501 RJK Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:34:34 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-501 Great Graphs! I know this whole discussion has made me want to increase my skill level, before this, not totally, but it was more...I need better gear. Great Graphs! I know this whole discussion has made me want to increase my skill level, before this, not totally, but it was more…I need better gear.

]]> By: Ulduar cleared in blues, not epics « pwnwear.com: on leadership, tanking and thinking http://pwnwear.com/2009/08/28/what-gear-is-required-for-a-raid/comment-page-1/#comment-502 Ulduar cleared in blues, not epics « pwnwear.com: on leadership, tanking and thinking Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:48:39 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=947#comment-502 [...] I’ve now elaborated on my [...] [...] I’ve now elaborated on my [...]

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