Comments on: Dual-wield, weapon speed and expertise

By: Gravity

Gravity — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:22:51 +0000

PvP weapons are a great choice; often more stamina than alternatives.

By: mistyken

mistyken — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:36:19 +0000

I am wondering, is taking with pvp weapon a viable choice? i notice there’s a 2.60 speed slow 1 hand pvp weapon. we just need 1800 rating to get it and it’s on the same as i245 sword.

the upside of pvp weapon is that it provides more stamina than its conventional counterpart and it’s probably easier to come by (just need to hit 1800 for it, don’t need to pray to the loot god). the downside is we will lose some avoidance and mitigation stats.

By: Maleficarüm

Maleficarüm — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:21:53 +0000

A lot of Thanks ^^ I will try 2 Slow/Slow this nigth with the Nerubian

By: noob

noob — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:00:45 +0000

Hi Maleficarum,

Slow 1H DPS weapon have decent avoidance stats, stamina is blood dk core.

Runeforging: Rune of the Nerubian Carapace is added in 3.3 to allow DK tank to fully utilized 1H Slow DPS weapon.

There is no need to worry about having less avoidance vs slow/slow since DK also uses 2H DPS weapon. The single tanking weapon does not have significant effect on your survivability as compared to your armor gear.

But if you worry about the loss, there is nothing wrong to use tank weapon, use the chart to choose weapon combination. I do suggest to make several combo macro to swap various weapon fast.

Regarding ICC 25s. Most ICC 25 encounter has important enrage timer to beat (imagine heroic ICC25) so it is better to get slow/slow weapon.

The ability to to have snap aggro, all round tanking abilities, hight tps, mitigation and avoidance is what make DW Frost DK unique.

have fun

By: Maleficarüm

Maleficarüm — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:32:52 +0000

I’m Worried about the loss of Avoidance Vs Slow/Slow. I’m Tanking ICC 25 with my guild Higth End, and i only see weapons like The last Word that have 1.7 speed. So mi Question is… Is really better get slow/slow weapon with less avoidance and less stamina, than weapon tank with more stamina and dodge/parry?

Thx

By: DW Tanking Builds 3.3 - updated 12/01/10 - Page 26 - Elitist Jerks

DW Tanking Builds 3.3 - updated 12/01/10 - Page 26 - Elitist Jerks — Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:51:55 +0000

[...] the buff from the Q, and the expertise requirement is rather low. In fact, according to the math in this post at pwnwear.com a DW DK with a slow MH & 2.0 OH (Q speed) only needs 26 expertise. They [...]

By: Xaris

Xaris — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:22:09 +0000

Ok, after looking at it again I understand even better. Thanks for adding slow/medium to the table.
To take it one step further….
Medium/Medium = 90 attacks 12.8 at 0 exp, 6.9 at 26exp, 6.07 at 30exp

By: Gravity

Gravity — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:11:50 +0000

I’m jealous, I’d love Quel’serrar. Thanks for the note, I added more weapon combinations to the table.

By: Xaris

Xaris — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:46:24 +0000

Interesting, so with 2 slow weapons, 26 expertise is fine (although more certainly wouldn’t hurt).
It’s not clear to me how the Burnished/Gleaming Quel’Serrar at 2.0 figures in. I see a 2.0 mentioned briefly in the Death Knight Auto-attack section, but am unclear of the results unless you just count it as a fast weapon and be done with it. I’ve been running with a 2.6 MH and 2.0 (Quel’Serrar) OF which is why I’m asking. It seems that I can drop a couple of expertise down from my current 29 and be fine.
Although, I have both the 232 and 245 versions and dual-wielding them makes you look like you are dual-wielding green lightsabers. Very cool looking.

By: Gravity

Gravity — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:52:33 +0000

Post updated now, along with conclusions. Interesting: we’re better off than previously thought.