Comments on: Weapon speed effect on dual-wield threat

By: Gravity

Gravity — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:40:13 +0000

Just use two slow weapons the whole time .

By: Shraken

Shraken — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:38:47 +0000

Im finding my single target threat realy bad as frost dualwielding 2x tank weapons is wepswapin midfight the way foward?

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DW Tanking Builds 3.3 - updated 12/01/10 - Page 26 - Elitist Jerks — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:28:42 +0000

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By: Kenshi

Kenshi — Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:26:58 +0000

I think the putricide 25m mace is very DK orientated

nice stamina
nice speed 2.00
and a cool proc

By: noob

noob — Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:33:30 +0000

I hope we can get slow tanking weapon maybe at lich king loot table.

By: Gravity

Gravity — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:53:42 +0000

I run around with pretty high avoidance too. I was at ~62% or so in HoR last night, with my two threat weapons and FC/RI. I like avoidance in 5-mans too. I happily put def/dodge gems in a +stam socket bonus slot. Maybe I should point out that avoidance is good in 5-mans in the OP, but then again, we’ve just done that. Why? It’s because it scales well against AOE targets. That said, I also like high threat.

By: Uru

Uru — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:35:16 +0000

heya gravity; on your conclusion i must say i like to exactly the opposite, regarding 5mans and raiding :-s
explaining better : in 5mans, pugs above all , i never ever need strong threat ; on top of that, we all know of the discussions recently on the fact that dks take more damage in 5mans because of no block for easy mitigation on low-damage hitters.
so i found i do VERY well with 2x rimefang claw+2x swordbreaking (4%parry)+onyxia defense trinket : that puts me in an average stamina-threat build, but with VERY high avoidance (usually 65% in 5mans with 1-2 buffs): i noticed i take clearly less damage and the stamina drop isn’t noticeable, since in 5mans the mobs hit for like 5k..not 15k like raid bosses. in full stamina gear instead u can be bursted easier when you are hit by lots of mobs hitting for low damage.
on the opposite side, in raids i need all the threat i can output, so 2 x dps weapons are mandatory . i rune them with nerubians to cap defense and add HP, and use 2x stamina trinkets. this gives me around 8% less avoidance than the avoidance set, but 2k+ hp, and lots of threat more.
so in few words :
-5mans : high avoidance
-raids : high threat + high stamina set to soak big hits.

works pretty well for me.

By: Gravity

Gravity — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:59:10 +0000

Cool. That’d be great. I’ll also let Kahorie’s devs know in case they don’t see it, and/or pseudo-nerd check it myself.

By: Shazear

Shazear — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:24:47 +0000

Armstrong’s numbers are what I have in Rawr as well. I’ve got it on my list of things to do to work on testing the threat values using Sat’s Threat addon. I’m going to tweak it some to save the numbers off so I can do the evaluation after the fact rather than try to gather up numbers in-game and do the math from there. Once I have numbers that I’m confident with, even if they confirm the Armstrong post, I’ll reply to that thread and let you know.

By: Deathy

Deathy — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:27:29 +0000

It’s worth noting that using two parry enchant isn’t 4% more parry than 2 Nerubians. Because the Nerubian enchants include 13 points of defense (not rating) that doesn’t suffer from DR, they’re worth about 3% total avoidance (dodge, miss, parry). Your overall gain when using 2 parry enchants is about 1% avoidance. Whether 1% avoidance is worth 2% stamina and the increased damage reduction on IBF is something that is debated back and forth a lot, and is ultimately a personal choice. But the comparison is definitely not 4% parry or 2% stamina.