Comments on: Sad elitism and my own disclaimer http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/ DK Tank blog and forums Wed, 01 Sep 2010 06:58:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=4463 hourly 1 By: Gravity http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-2/#comment-3823 Gravity Fri, 09 Jul 2010 06:07:17 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-3823 That's a good perspective actually, thank you. I actually do appreciate the effort made. Also, James still gets points for the Klingon analogy. :) That’s a good perspective actually, thank you. I actually do appreciate the effort made. Also, James still gets points for the Klingon analogy. :)

]]> By: Mex http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-2/#comment-3816 Mex Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:04:21 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-3816 You all need to understand a few things about EJ and its posters.   It's not a help forum, or a repository for guides. It's a discussion forum, and it's intended to be a place where people who already know almost everything about their class can discuss and refine the finer points of the theories that govern that class. Some posters are kind enough to create large, detailed, and up-to-date guides on mechanics, rotations, stats, and just generally "how2play". That's something that they do in their own free time, and most people are grateful for it.   Here, Bart says it better than I ever could -- http://elitistjerks.com/f34/t83199-infraction_testament0221_request_denied/   I've been a member of both EJs and MT for several years now, and while I love both communities, I recognise that they are very different places, with very different goals and different ways of achieving those goals. There is nothing wrong with this, but it needs to be stressed that EJ's ability to effectively provide a place for the discussion and formulation of theory necessitates heavy-handed moderation.   For what it's worth, I believe this site was actually mentioned somewhere on EJs lately as a very positive example of someone formulating a DK community that didn't instantly degenerate into a pack of drooling morons.   Oh, and finally, once you get past his gruff exterior, James has a heart of gold. You all need to understand a few things about EJ and its posters.
 
It’s not a help forum, or a repository for guides. It’s a discussion forum, and it’s intended to be a place where people who already know almost everything about their class can discuss and refine the finer points of the theories that govern that class. Some posters are kind enough to create large, detailed, and up-to-date guides on mechanics, rotations, stats, and just generally “how2play”. That’s something that they do in their own free time, and most people are grateful for it.
 
Here, Bart says it better than I ever could — http://elitistjerks.com/f34/t83199-infraction_testament0221_request_denied/
 
I’ve been a member of both EJs and MT for several years now, and while I love both communities, I recognise that they are very different places, with very different goals and different ways of achieving those goals. There is nothing wrong with this, but it needs to be stressed that EJ’s ability to effectively provide a place for the discussion and formulation of theory necessitates heavy-handed moderation.
 
For what it’s worth, I believe this site was actually mentioned somewhere on EJs lately as a very positive example of someone formulating a DK community that didn’t instantly degenerate into a pack of drooling morons.
 
Oh, and finally, once you get past his gruff exterior, James has a heart of gold.

]]> By: JamesVZ http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-2/#comment-3811 JamesVZ Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:01:01 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-3811 Hey look, I'm famous.  You sit here and wonder why I have such massive nuts, and then make blogs like this.  Keep fueling the e-peen, gents. Hey look, I’m famous.  You sit here and wonder why I have such massive nuts, and then make blogs like this.  Keep fueling the e-peen, gents.

]]> By: Gravity http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-2/#comment-1805 Gravity Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:46:34 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-1805 <p>Yeah, fair point. I don't think that was a good term to use. ;)</p> Yeah, fair point. I don’t think that was a good term to use. ;)

]]> By: Ténacity http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-2/#comment-1804 Ténacity Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:19:56 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-1804 If you can truly call those with loose tongues intellectuals, then I suppose any old fool can be intellectual these days... If you can truly call those with loose tongues intellectuals, then I suppose any old fool can be intellectual these days…

]]> By: Gravity http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-2/#comment-1803 Gravity Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:14:39 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-1803 <p>Thanks Tenacity and Fearim, although I do think the analogy to batman is stretching your compliments a bit far. (As aside, my favourite comics were Conan, Silver Surfer, Batman, Sandman, the Phantom [originals], and a few others I don't recall anymore). Please remember this was a rant post and not me fishing for love, so whilst it is great to hear I'm helping as intended, you don't need to make me feel any better about doing it; I'll keep going regardless of any injustices by intellectuals.</p> Thanks Tenacity and Fearim, although I do think the analogy to batman is stretching your compliments a bit far. (As aside, my favourite comics were Conan, Silver Surfer, Batman, Sandman, the Phantom [originals], and a few others I don’t recall anymore).
Please remember this was a rant post and not me fishing for love, so whilst it is great to hear I’m helping as intended, you don’t need to make me feel any better about doing it; I’ll keep going regardless of any injustices by intellectuals.

]]> By: Fearim http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-2/#comment-1802 Fearim Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:53:43 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-1802 Adding that I have found your blog informative, interesting and well written. Have played WoW on and off since midnight when the game started, had never played a DK tank to about 5 months ago and I had never bothered to look at any theory around them either. In the last month or two, i've searched around for whatever information i can find to become a better tank and i would say thanks to the information here my tanking has improved 10 fold (i'm now main tanking our 10 mans and we are about to start ICC 10 soon). The information elsewhere i find unhelpful and slightly unorganised, though tankspot does have some good videos of course. Quite far away from anything i would consider 'tardish' Gravity, keep up the good work mate. Cheers Fearim (Saurfang) Adding that I have found your blog informative, interesting and well written.

Have played WoW on and off since midnight when the game started, had never played a DK tank to about 5 months ago and I had never bothered to look at any theory around them either.

In the last month or two, i’ve searched around for whatever information i can find to become a better tank and i would say thanks to the information here my tanking has improved 10 fold (i’m now main tanking our 10 mans and we are about to start ICC 10 soon). The information elsewhere i find unhelpful and slightly unorganised, though tankspot does have some good videos of course.

Quite far away from anything i would consider ‘tardish’ Gravity, keep up the good work mate.

Cheers
Fearim (Saurfang)

]]> By: Ténacity http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-2/#comment-1798 Ténacity Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:13:10 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-1798 Gravity, Gravity, Gravity... Don't let those chumps at EJ (BB) Maintankadin get to you. You are not a "tard", I'd like to see any one of those guys in the forum contribute half as much to the tanking community. All the "generalizations" I have seen you make are perfect for the majority of readers; I know when I notice a generalization that I think I need more information on comes up I ask for more clarification- its not hard and you are always there within hours to respond in comments to questions and concerns- UNLIKE EJ where you get flamed for questioning a mechanic. I read the entire EH thread on Maintankadin, all 23 pages (at the time). I can say I honestly get more out of one of your spread sheets and a short explaination than I did out of that damned cursed thread! Who's opinion do you trust? I saw some nifty formulas, but no one seemed to take the time to break it down (as I'm sure you would), and that's my point. I've been MT for my guild for going on 2 years now and it is hard to find a solid dk thread that is updated as often as pwnwear.com. DK.info, skeletonjack, are gone... I see you as Batman, the super hero that doesnt get credit for all the good that he does, and the good guys come crying to you when they need help, and all other times ignore you like a dirty rag. ~Tén Gravity, Gravity, Gravity…

Don’t let those chumps at EJ (BB) Maintankadin get to you. You are not a “tard”, I’d like to see any one of those guys in the forum contribute half as much to the tanking community. All the “generalizations” I have seen you make are perfect for the majority of readers; I know when I notice a generalization that I think I need more information on comes up I ask for more clarification- its not hard and you are always there within hours to respond in comments to questions and concerns- UNLIKE EJ where you get flamed for questioning a mechanic.

I read the entire EH thread on Maintankadin, all 23 pages (at the time). I can say I honestly get more out of one of your spread sheets and a short explaination than I did out of that damned cursed thread! Who’s opinion do you trust? I saw some nifty formulas, but no one seemed to take the time to break it down (as I’m sure you would), and that’s my point.

I’ve been MT for my guild for going on 2 years now and it is hard to find a solid dk thread that is updated as often as pwnwear.com. DK.info, skeletonjack, are gone… I see you as Batman, the super hero that doesnt get credit for all the good that he does, and the good guys come crying to you when they need help, and all other times ignore you like a dirty rag.

~Tén

]]> By: Everblue http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-1/#comment-1795 Everblue Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:07:13 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-1795 It's also worth noting that the conversion of 10 armour = 1 stamina relationship is pretty much unchallenged on the EJ warrior boards too. See here http://elitistjerks.com/f81/t45411-finalizing_prot_warrior_design/p32/ So when the EJ warrior community does it, it's ok and passes unchallenged, but when the paladins use it they are a bunch of fucking retards. Right. Or perhaps I misunderstood... .-= Everblue´s last blog ..<a href="http://everblue-bluemurder.blogspot.com/2010/01/four-stages-of-fail.html" rel="nofollow">The four stages of fail</a> =-. It’s also worth noting that the conversion of 10 armour = 1 stamina relationship is pretty much unchallenged on the EJ warrior boards too. See here http://elitistjerks.com/f81/t45411-finalizing_prot_warrior_design/p32/

So when the EJ warrior community does it, it’s ok and passes unchallenged, but when the paladins use it they are a bunch of fucking retards. Right.

Or perhaps I misunderstood…
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]]> By: noob http://pwnwear.com/2010/02/01/sad-elitism-and-my-own-disclaimer/comment-page-1/#comment-1792 noob Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:41:55 +0000 http://pwnwear.com/?p=2801#comment-1792 TBH i never like the idea of too much detailed math in a game. The way I select my gear and talent spec are all base on experience, recount and WoL. My IIT talent spec for example isn't derive from simulation or theory. What i did was spending few hundred gold running heroics with various spec. Post in EJ and TS for example where people like to post a lot of stuff to improve ranking. Some of this people target on the way we write stuff rather than the topic itself. TBH i never like the idea of too much detailed math in a game. The way I select my gear and talent spec are all base on experience, recount and WoL. My IIT talent spec for example isn’t derive from simulation or theory. What i did was spending few hundred gold running heroics with various spec. Post in EJ and TS for example where people like to post a lot of stuff to improve ranking. Some of this people target on the way we write stuff rather than the topic itself.

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