Comments on: Woo more stamina for us!

By: Kenshi

Kenshi — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:43:43 +0000

and now we can tank festergut with 3 inhales without outside help. stoneblood + ua + IBF. time these right and you’ll sail though the encounter

By: Gravity

Gravity — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:16:19 +0000

Evilcabell, it’s great! It’s not “just” 600 HP when you look at the effective health (ie. include armour and damage reducing effects). On hard-modes fights (note Blizzard mentioned this was in anticipation of hard-modes), 2% stamina can literally make or break the raid; they’re tuned that finely.
Also, there was a very common perception that DK tanks (Frost, particularly) simply didn’t have enough HP, however immature or invalid that was; and perception itself causes problems.

By: Gravity

Gravity — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:13:09 +0000

I think I’ve fixed the stupid reply-to and line-break problem. It was caused by the nice wysiwyg formatting bar, I think.

By: Evilcabell

Evilcabell — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:37:16 +0000

Is the hp buff that big of a deal? I noticed an extra 600hp a few days ago (I assume that this is from the mini-patch; they have implemented it, right?) but it seems to me that if I am ever in a win-wipe situation where that 600hp will make a difference then I will probably have bigger problems (such as dead healer syndrome). I would have thought that an armor value modification would be a lot more appropriate. Oh well. As long as they are still thinking of us dk tanks : )The IBF boost is pretty awesome though.

By: The Renaissance Man

The Renaissance Man — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:37:05 +0000

The thing was, Druids were already better than Paladins. With the exception of patch 3.1, Feral druids have been the best tanks for all but a few gimmick fights the entire expansion. They have the most health, the most armor, and the most uptime on their cooldowns. The idea that they would need to be brought up to the level of another tank is quite confusing.

On the Lich King encounter, where the tank is going to get trucked by 60k unresistable hits every 30 seconds, a feral druid will not only have the health to eat the hit without a cooldown, they’ll have a meaningful cooldown available for 75% of those hits, as opposed to a paladin’s 50% while still needing a cooldown for every one.

The IBF change should be capped at 50%. One prominent DK tank on the tanking forums has already put together a 700 defense skill gear set, and tested it, and it provides an IBF that mitigates over 70% of the incoming damage.

Gravity, why does your comment system hate paragraphs? Every comment I have to edit the line breaks in after it converts it to a wall of text.

By: Xabbu

Xabbu — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:04:16 +0000

As annoying as the entire “nerf-buff spike” mentality may be at times (particularly when it affect spec or gear choice, or which players get taken to an instance), I still feel that it’s a better method of addressing a problem than not doing anything at all.Let’s take these cases quick; in Ulduar DK’s were still new and constantly under revision. Let’s not kid ourselves, we were pretty over-powered as tanks went for quite a while; being able to chain cool-downs to an extent that no other tank could hope to match. We’ve lost a bit of that, sure, but we’re still some of the best at damage reduction and mitigation (as long as we time those abilities right!). Now along comes ICC; what’s changed? In Ulduar we had more fights with predictable abilities that hit hard, and were on predictable timers. In ICC we have bosses that hit faster, for lower damage, and fewer of the “flame-breath” style attacks that will completely demolish a tank in a single hit. For DK’s our strength is those cool-downs, but when boss hits come fast enough we can’t time them as well as we could to a single, known large hit. Hence, the passive health and mitigation of other classes is slightly better than our own, leading to our (very nice, thank you Blizz!) minor stamina boost.*shrug* In the end I guess I’m a fan of a lot of what Blizzard does. I trust that they’ve got the people they do for a reason and they’re not making changes on a whim.

By: Tusam

Tusam — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:13:24 +0000

Just wanted to said, about time. I think quite a few of our healers will by happy with this change. I wonder if blizzard is going to keep dishing out buff and nerfs for every new raid. Sort of a strange approach, no? For example: they nerfed us in Ulduar cause we were too OP. Don’t remember if they did anything in ToC. And now they buff us in ICC.Hope this nerf-buff spike doesn’t become a pattern, it could get quite annoying.

By: Rhidach

Rhidach — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:50:01 +0000

Grats on the buff DKs, you guys needed and deserved it.

By: Leucyte

Leucyte — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:42:32 +0000

@TRM, didn’t he just say warriors and druids are fine, and the alternative to this would’ve been to raise all classes to the level of the paladin? Or has was this said some other time?

@Gravity, is something up with replying to comments, or is it just me?

Edit: Err, now I didn’t even try to reply.

By: Bingus

Bingus — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:11:52 +0000

I’ll gladly accept this buff the to class. As I also have a tanking paladin alt (not as geared as my dk), I don’t have any problem with the ‘nerf’. Paladins make great tanks (ease of play, snap aggro, etc) but I do find my DK ‘fun-er’