Blood tank spec in 3.3

[Masurao]

theres always the non-tier frost stuff. i'm using the gloves for lack of a better option, but I will switch them out for another pair when I get something better.
In my EQ manager I have 4 sets set up: A 2p t10 with the dodge sigil and one with the strength, and a set with better single target stats (one with each sigil)
it's great to be able to switch stuff based upon the situation.

[Scripts]

I did do the offtier frost chestpiece. I'm also going to get the crafted boots. I'm leaning towards going with the 4 pc t10, so helm and pants are left to get. Other frost gear I'll pick up is the belt and cloak, but have been planning on getting the tier gear first. I may get the cloak next, since that's my lowest ilevel piece right now (cloak from regular HoR).

[Kuren]

Scripts, that is exactly what I did. The [Cataclysmic Chestguard] is very nice and a great early upgrade. I then worked on getting the four pieces of T10. The boots are great if you go with the [Cataclysmic Chestguard] and the T10 pants since you'll get a decent amount of expertise and will want more hit.

[Scripts]

Scripts, that is exactly what I did. The [Cataclysmic Chestguard] is very nice and a great early upgrade. I then worked on getting the four pieces of T10. The boots are great if you go with the [Cataclysmic Chestguard] and the T10 pants since you'll get a decent amount of expertise and will want more hit.

Agreed. I have the 245 badge helm, with the saurfang 251 legs right now. Lowest pieces, for me, are cloak & boots (Ulduar pattern boots). Finally got all the tier pieces on my main raider, so all my frost badges from him will buy primordials for boots and then shadow's edge (eventually).

Current spec did okay on Friday night. We got Putricide (1st or 2nd attempt, I think) and saved the dargon, but ran into trouble with the princes. We'll probably reset the id this week, but not 100% sure.

[Gravity]

Hey Gravity,

When I came back to this forum to check out that "tooltip-enabled talent table" to check on something, I noticed it looked broken. What I mean by broken is like you see all the text that should only normally pop up when you mouseover. Beforehand I remember the tables working fine when you posted it a few months ago. Check out the screenshots:

In Firefox 3.6.3 with Ad-block active
In Internet Explorer 64bit/Windows 7, base install

I have not had the chance to test it on a second computer, but I figure I'll report it in. I did test again in Firefox without ad-block and its still doing it.

Update: fixed. Thanks for the report! - G

[Masurao]

i didn't know where to put this and I don't think the actual figure has been put on the forums:
Vampiric blood multiplies your % based healing by a factor of 1.5525 (155.25%) so in other words your heals heal you for 55.25% more than they did without vb. so if a rune tap healed you for 12,000 without vb, it now heals you for 18,630.
math is fairly simple. 1.15 (your new hp) * 1.35 (heal multiplier) = 1.5525
just thought that being somewhere here as a reference would be helpful to someone.

[Insolence]

You'd need some good timing to get RT + VB at the same time, plus, would you even need it right after you put up a CD?

[Scripts]

You might want it at the "end" of VB, so that you are topped off when the extra health comes off. I'm tending to hit VB and RT at almost the same time, because I tend to use it once I get below 40% health.

[Masurao]

how would it be hard to get a blood rune and do a rune tap during a 10/15 second window? (confused)

[Insolence]

Would you need it? That's the real question. You have 15% increased Healing + extra HP, why would you need even more?

[Masurao]

this is not an argument about rune tap while vb is up. if you don't want to use it, don't. if the rest of us find some use, then let us.
(must be nice to run with whoever's healing you)

[Insolence]

I run with a Holy/Disc Priest, a Resto Shammy and a Resto Druid, sometimes a Holy Paladin, but that's not the point.

You have 15% increased Healing, unless its due to some immense damage buff like Soul Reap or the DB Stacks/Frenzy you shouldn't need to pop VB at all or any CD. Now assume you do, you get 15% increased Healing and Health, which with that you should be fine, if your Healers can't manage with 15% Increased Healing + extra Health, there's something wrong with them, you shouldn't need to use something like Rune Tap when VB is up if your Healers are doing their jobs right, and I'm assuming that they probably are otherwise they'd have been replaced.

[Masurao]

If your healers are good enough to do that, then you go ahead. those of us that don't have great healers (read, most) will continue to do what we need to do to stay alive. Anyone else who's been floating between 15% and 50% for the whole duration of a glyphed VB knows what I'm talking about. Maybe you're in the position to not need it. a lot of us are not.

[Scripts]

Major concern points, for me, are covering the 3rd inhale on Fester, and phase 3 putricide. Beyond that, it gives some room on BQL as well, due to the aura, and I'm running with it glyphed, so it heals out the rest of the melee/Off tank too (if I'm hurting for heals, I know they are too). I can also see using it on sindrigosa, especially if we attempt to single tank it. Can the healers I go with handle the other two at this point? Pretty much. We're also doing Val at this point, and I'm the single tank in the room, so I also want the heal for after the Abom hits me.

Chaining CDs at the right time, on both my DK and Hunter, is one of my own "skill" issues. I'm getting better about it, and I find that using VB and RT together seems to help when you can't seem to keep ahead of the damage curve. I do need to put the RT icon back on my bars though, so I know when its not on CD to allow me to utilize it more frequently.