Parry-haste confirmed to be mostly off in Icecrown Citadel

Posting here on parry-haste, the proc nerf and following me on Twitter.

The other day I posted about preliminary findings which show ICC has parry-haste mostly turned off for the raid bosses. Theck’s confirmed that now, and my gratitude to the original writers Tbdsamman (parry-haste addon) and Clifton (wrote the log parser).

Boss Can boss parry-haste? Marrowgar no Deathwhisper yes Deathbringer Saurfang no Festergut no Rotface no Putricide no Prince Valanar no Prince Taldaram no Blood-Queen Lana’thal no Sindragosa

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Parry-haste doesn't seem to exist in ICC

1. A clever nerd wrote an addon which checks if the boss you’re fighting has been parry-hasted.

2. Another clever geek wrote a script which parses logs to determine if parry-haste was seen.

3. Combined conclusion so far is that the only boss in Icecrown with parry-haste turned on is Deathwhisper, and possibly Saurfang.

Read the thread discussing it and download the addon from links within. If you’ve got matlab you can also get the code to

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Sad elitism and my own disclaimer

TheLordPsy pointed out this side-conversation on the EJ benefactors’ bar “BB”, which is talking about the maintankadin epic thread. It’s here inside the ’stupid thread’ with over 2000 pages on other topics.

Not discussing positively like “oh if you guys want to help some fellow theorycrafters out, drop by maintankadin and see if you can help them understand how they’ve got myopic about EH”. No.

It’s condescending and very elitist; looking down on people who are doing their best, have good

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How to debate badly

The armour versus stamina epic thread on maintankadin is an entertaining read. Other than being a good analysis of Total Effective Health, and its applicability to decisions between armour and stamina trinkets, it has a fascinating set of exchanges with a few belligerent posters who pretend to be honest debaters but are actually manipulative.

After a dummy-spit from Eminai (who had some good ideas but was unable to control his vitriol), here’s Theck’s rebuttal, below from p11. It outlines why Theck’s a theorycrafter to respect, beyond just his maths, but for his humility and level-headedness. I’ve said before, one thing I respect in him is the ability to admit he’s wrong and change his mind, which is a crucial quality of intelligence that I didn’t see in Eminai.

I put Theck in blue.

Eminai wrote:If you can’t see how adding healing done into a formula that assumes you receive invalidates everything about that formula, I shudder to think of what kind of aneurysm inducing “math” I would find in your actual theorycrafting.

I haven’t done this, which is abundantly clear from the examples I’ve given. It is you whom is misunderstanding things. Nobody is trying to redefine Effective Health.

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Best gems for tanking, socket bonus considered

What gems do you use for tanking? This should be fairly well-known, but it might be an interesting discussion if we have any avoidance advocates out there who don’t like stamina.

Gem recommendations

If it’s a blue socket, 30 stamina, obviously.

If it’s red: then dodge/stam.

In what might have been an important theory development, Theck worked out agility’s benefits for Paladins. Thankfully Reader Kiku here has done the maths using Theck’s formula’s, and worked out how it applies to DKs:

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